tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post4021455851818203491..comments2024-03-24T23:22:43.753+00:00Comments on Tony's Musings: Blogging EtiquetteTonyTheProfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-45175565071962114972010-07-25T20:14:53.752+00:002010-07-25T20:14:53.752+00:00I have never read that Ian Blair resigned from the...I have never read that Ian Blair resigned from the police because of the names he was called in the National Press!<br /><br />Nor did I hear Gordon Brown say he had resigned because some national press journalist persistently called him Gordon the Moron etc..<br /><br />Come to think of it, not once have I heard Peter Mandleson complain about being called Mandy... <br /><br />Everybody knows who Two Jags is (although I believe it was annoyed, it wasn't a resigning matter) and so I think it reasonable that the nickname Skippy could stick to anyone who who claims to support fairness but in reality prefer a 'kangaroo court'.<br /><br />I suspect when people start blaming blogs for reasons behind a resignation, it is diversionary from the 'real reason'. Further investigation may be required!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-19483441639142013882010-07-23T07:18:09.431+00:002010-07-23T07:18:09.431+00:00I think Tony makes some excellent points again. It...I think Tony makes some excellent points again. Its becoming something of a trademark. Surely the ultimate aim here is gain access and the trust of the key decision makers and in doing so test their policies. Often our elected officials make poorly thought through decisions behind closed doors which many feel are out of touch with the electorate. By allowing them to see that balance, reason and logic can be applied to test their arguments without them feeling threatened in the blogshphere, which clearly many still do (and I put this down to a generational misunderstanding) can surely only serve the greater good.<br /><br />The Farce blog and VFC, it could be agrued, has done this to some extent but the politicians who make contributions to each site are either pre-disposed (or entrenched) to a particular set of beliefs or either hide behind anonimity. <br /><br />If a simple, but well thought through, code of conduct can be agreed upon by all the main blogs and submitted to the COM for discussion it would, I believe, bring the holy grail of 'accreditation' more firmly into view.Ole Razzynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-30884890755318077222010-07-23T04:51:16.833+00:002010-07-23T04:51:16.833+00:00Yes, a satirical send up!Yes, a satirical send up!TonyTheProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-28656567177733744722010-07-22T23:02:50.426+00:002010-07-22T23:02:50.426+00:00Yes I think it was appropriate, but to continue ca...Yes I think it was appropriate, but to continue calling Ian le Marquand "Skippy" on every occasion is rather overkill - the point had been made.<br /><br />I'd still really like some more Voice interviews - taxation, rises in GST, Market Traders on demolishing Minden place etc - lots of important issues that Neil can bring to the public attention - like he did so very well with that case of Housing problems.TonyTheProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-87903550309906274372010-07-22T22:49:02.240+00:002010-07-22T22:49:02.240+00:00I thought the Skippy tag was appropriate in highli...I thought the Skippy tag was appropriate in highlighting what amounted to a Kangaroo Court, especially when one can refer to this:<br /><br />In Clark v Chief Constable of Essex Police, the British High Court of Justice appeared to accept the description of kangaroo court in the context of a disciplinary proceeding:<br /><br /> "... because those attending jumped from the accusation to the condemnation without pausing to find out what the accused person had to say about it." <br /><br />Heaven forbid, if Richard littleJohn took an interest in Jersey Politics as he has a habit of mocking peoples names!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-61555354473997227772010-07-22T22:45:07.676+00:002010-07-22T22:45:07.676+00:00Well said Rico! But don't forget the "acc...Well said Rico! But don't forget the "accredited media". Headline in the Daily Telegraph today "Transvestite had Sex with a Dog at English Heritage Castle"<br /><br />Isn't it good to know the big newspapers are keeping up traditions of serious reporting!TonyTheProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-53220893137944048872010-07-22T22:26:17.006+00:002010-07-22T22:26:17.006+00:00Christ guys don't get all posh and serious.
F...Christ guys don't get all posh and serious.<br /><br />Flick open the keyboard, believe in what you are doing, give it some punk rock and a slash of brut 33, then bingo you have a blog.<br /><br />I let the people decide with a simple click<br /><br /><br />if you want facts and research<br /><br />The Voice and my blog<br /><br />If you want entertainment and a cheap evening in you have the Farce Blog<br /><br />And then you have Tony's excellent blogrico sordahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09370637157786202673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-9298703574815679532010-07-22T21:53:42.311+00:002010-07-22T21:53:42.311+00:00"Commitment to accuracy and truth. Commitment..."Commitment to accuracy and truth. Commitment to fairness and balance in reporting. Clear differentiation between factual reporting and comment."<br /><br />I would say that JEP headlines broke all three rules. They are misleading, often sensationalist, and they prejudge whatever factual reports follow.<br /><br />And Senator Le Marquand has criticised the JEP twice for (a) misrepresenting him an a headline (b) selective reporting which made it appear he put the island's reputation before abuse victims.<br /><br />I have an email from another senior Minister in the Council of Ministes who told me about a report on him that I shouldn't believe everything I read in the JEP - and that was an a "factual reporting" section.<br /><br />The BBC tends to delay reporting, mainly because they check their facts better.TonyTheProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-70498286970105235142010-07-22T21:46:42.344+00:002010-07-22T21:46:42.344+00:00I didn't say someone couldn't begin a blog...I didn't say someone couldn't begin a blog posting as "Skippy", or for that matter "The Farce Show" or any "punchy" headline - after all the JEP does it all the time; all I said was that if it was satire, it should be not mixed with real argument.<br /><br />I;ve noted though that while I disagree strongly with a lot of Gazza's arguments, he is now much better at moderating insults which were prevalent in the early days - when I was the subject of one as well I believe.TonyTheProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-56555402200631588142010-07-22T19:53:38.051+00:002010-07-22T19:53:38.051+00:00Its a good post Tony.
We knock back a lot of name...Its a good post Tony.<br /><br />We knock back a lot of name calling and could not start main posts with captions like 'Skippy' and 'Weirdcop' because we do not believe the readers would take the rest of the post seriously if its kicked off with an insult.<br /><br />We are successfully getting more States Members onto the HDLGMF Blog and we have been praised recently for managing to stay away from this kind of satire/clown material.<br /><br />There are more uniform ways of getting attention.Gazzahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313137548814834799noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-71459293447689236672010-07-22T16:51:55.081+00:002010-07-22T16:51:55.081+00:00Yes, this seems a reasonable and workable code of ...Yes, this seems a reasonable and workable code of practice for blogs taking a serious view of current affairs to adopt. I run both a serious political blog and a more personal one. I don't think the code would really be applicable to the personal one, which sometimes offers political opinion, but never passes itself off as news. However, it does formalise the gut feelings I go by with the serious one. Although I do let idiots show themselves up with half-witted comments, if they are not too grossly offensive.David Rotherhamhttp://jdacmb.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-58973612343739305802010-07-22T15:51:17.870+00:002010-07-22T15:51:17.870+00:00Tony:
I agree with your last point. And VFC - ple...Tony:<br /><br />I agree with your last point. And VFC - please continue your excellent work. You might not want to be blogging but you are helping to fulfill a need in Jersey.<br /><br />The point I made in my earlier comment was that bloggers should basically think carefully about what they want to achieve - and then how best to set about achieving it. Blogs need not be polished. They do, in my opinion, need to be honest and heartfelt. My personal preference is for blogs to be impartial as far as possible. <br /><br />Each blogger will appeal to a different audience. The one thing that readers all want, though, is the information which you all impart so well. Style is not that important - but - and I personally believe it is a big "but" - the simple fact of life is that constant abuse on the part of some bloggers will have a negative impact on many of the people the bloggers are setting out to "convert". It's really as simple as that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-82525880445505602762010-07-22T15:32:53.017+00:002010-07-22T15:32:53.017+00:00Tony.
Yes, I and many Bloggers may have many faul...Tony.<br /><br />Yes, I and many Bloggers may have many faults, but I never pretend to be something or somebody I am not. Could the same be said for the “accredited” media?<br /><br />Here is just a tiny snippet of what Chris Bright, Editor of the Jersey evening Post submitted to the media working party. <br /><br />“However, there are certain other professional characteristics which distinguish true journalists whether they are employed by commercial organisations or not.<br /><br />They include.<br /><br />Commitment to accuracy and truth.<br /><br />Commitment to fairness and balance in reporting.<br /><br />Clear differentiation between factual reporting and comment.”voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-65779694578960293202010-07-22T15:15:56.753+00:002010-07-22T15:15:56.753+00:00I didn't say blogs had to be polished or could...I didn't say blogs had to be polished or couldn't be heartfelt; just that making jokes such as skippy, for example, should be kept apart from general comment. There's no reason to say "Skippy" every time you say "Le Marquand".TonyTheProfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10486414706261508994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-18334753544320839752010-07-22T15:04:17.060+00:002010-07-22T15:04:17.060+00:00Tony.
You raise quite a number of points but some...Tony.<br /><br />You raise quite a number of points but something that is very important to remember is this.<br /><br />Bloggers in general are not proffessional journalists and not "polished" and that could be the attraction to viewrs and readers. It is street level reporting/publishing from the point of view of an everday pleb.<br /><br />Bloggers don't pretend to be impartial like the "accredited" media do, they tend to where their heart on their sleeve, again that raw type of publishing could be an attraction. Personally, I like to tell it how I see it but do like to tell it with as much evidence and as many researched facts as I can.<br /><br />But the bottom line is, I don't even want to be Blogging at all. I have been forced into Blogging after going through all the correct channels open to me by our government and "accredited" media, but that's another story.voiceforchildrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16825129148579102037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9095270985170721876.post-22499134798281774372010-07-22T14:54:29.916+00:002010-07-22T14:54:29.916+00:00Once again, I find myself in total agreement with ...Once again, I find myself in total agreement with you.<br /><br />In particular, I agree that some bloggers almost completely negate the powerful message they are trying to put across by indulging in what I believe is senseless abuse. Whilst I can quite understand how these people feel inside, can they not see that their attitude often dissuades reasonable people from believing what they say? Or even, as in the case of a few friends of mine, stopping them reading a blog altogether because, even though they are very interested in the facts being published, they are fed up of the vitriolic abuse.<br /><br />Such bloggers really need to think about why they are blogging. If it is truly to get the message across, then your suggested etiquette is essential. After all, I dare say that even the editor of the JEP would have some difficulty in rubbishing what you say simply because, not only is it impeccably researched, but it is portrayed professionally - usually more professionally than the so called accredited media can manage!!<br /><br />If, on the other hand, a blogger wants to use the blog as a means of blowing off personal steam and settling old scores, then many - perhaps most - readers will treat what is said in the same way they would treat a child's tantrum or a drunkard's abuse. Any core of truth might well be lost within the invective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com