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John Bercow on Question Time raised a number of points relating to the ongoing dispute - full details below. He makes a number of points.
"One of these is that the new licensing rules are a violation of the principles and the intended application of the trade agreement"
I can’t help feeling there’s an element of the same kind of problem that is still dogging the foreshore. When the Crown gave the rights to the Foreshore to the States of Jersey, it was intended to use it for any developments in wave technology. It was not intended as a “cash cow” for an arbitrarily imposed set of rules by which, without any map even showing the Foreshore, Property Services could use that to force landowners to pay up large sums of money, something which I have to say, seems very close to extortion, as it generally was applied to those wanting to sell their property.
This seems to have the same kind of issues involved. And Bercow also says:
"These people aren't newcomers. They are not new kids on the block. They are not people suddenly turning up and saying, can we fish here? This is an area in which customarily they did fish"
This is surely reflected in the remarks of Jean-Claude La Vaullée, skipper of Le Cach, who said: “I’ve refuelled the boat – we’re ready to restage the Battle of Trafalgar.” The furious Mr La Vaullée, who has been fishing off Jersey for more than 40 years, said he had now been given the right to just “11 hours fishing a year” in the area.
That is, quite frankly preposterous!
Bailiwick Express reports that:
"France's Maritime Minister is calling for Jersey’s new regime for controlling its waters to be suspended until the end of September - and wants the island to stop speaking to French fishermen directly. In a letter to EU Fisheries Commissioner Virginijus Sinkevicius, Annick Girardin also calls for a new mechanism to be set up, made up of local government officials and scientists, to assess if Jersey’s waters are overfished."
That’s a good idea, I think, and I’ve been looking at people doing these studies for France and elsewhere, and here are details of one such individual. I cannot help think that if we get scientists of international standing involved, we will get a better outcome.
"Prof. Jean-Claude Bréthes has a PhD in Oceanology from the University of Aix-Marseille-ll (France). He has been a professor four over 35 years, firstly at the in the Oceanography Department at the Université du Quebec :31 Rimouski (UQAR) and since 1999 at the Institute of Marine Science Rimouski (ISMER). Outside of his professorship, Jean-Claude was the Vice-Chainnan for the Fisheries Resource Conservation Council (FRCC) Canadian Advisory Board for the Ministers of Fisheries and Oceans from 1995 to 2001, where he provided recommendations for Atlantic groundfish conservation on Total Allowable Catches. In addition to this, he has also been a member for the Canadian Scientific Advisory Council Department of Fisheries and Oceans, Canadian Atlantic Fisheries Advisory Council and Quebec Aquaculture and Fisheries Council."
"More recently, Jean-Claude has acted a scientific expert for the assessment of Northem Gulf of St. Lawrence Snow Crab stocks. He has also chaired a number of workshops and regional advisory processes for the assessment of Canadian crustacean and demersal fish stocks. lntemationally, he has worked in Mauritania, Madagascar, and Tunisia and on coastal fisheries in the Northern Mediterranean Sea. Jean-Claude has also taken part in a number of MSC assessments including the Gulf of St. Lawrence Northem shrimp trawl fishery, Bay of Fundy, Scotian Shelf and Southem Gulf of St. Lawrence lobster trap fishery and Euronor saithe fishery."
"One of these is that the new licensing rules are a violation of the principles and the intended application of the trade agreement"
I can’t help feeling there’s an element of the same kind of problem that is still dogging the foreshore. When the Crown gave the rights to the Foreshore to the States of Jersey, it was intended to use it for any developments in wave technology. It was not intended as a “cash cow” for an arbitrarily imposed set of rules by which, without any map even showing the Foreshore, Property Services could use that to force landowners to pay up large sums of money, something which I have to say, seems very close to extortion, as it generally was applied to those wanting to sell their property.
This seems to have the same kind of issues involved. And Bercow also says:
"These people aren't newcomers. They are not new kids on the block. They are not people suddenly turning up and saying, can we fish here? This is an area in which customarily they did fish"
This is surely reflected in the remarks of Jean-Claude La Vaullée, skipper of Le Cach, who said: “I’ve refuelled the boat – we’re ready to restage the Battle of Trafalgar.” The furious Mr La Vaullée, who has been fishing off Jersey for more than 40 years, said he had now been given the right to just “11 hours fishing a year” in the area.
That is, quite frankly preposterous!
Bailiwick Express reports that:
"France's Maritime Minister is calling for Jersey’s new regime for controlling its waters to be suspended until the end of September - and wants the island to stop speaking to French fishermen directly. In a letter to EU Fisheries Commissioner Virginijus Sinkevicius, Annick Girardin also calls for a new mechanism to be set up, made up of local government officials and scientists, to assess if Jersey’s waters are overfished."
That’s a good idea, I think, and I’ve been looking at people doing these studies for France and elsewhere, and here are details of one such individual. I cannot help think that if we get scientists of international standing involved, we will get a better outcome.
"Prof. Jean-Claude Bréthes has a PhD in Oceanology from the University of Aix-Marseille-ll (France). He has been a professor four over 35 years, firstly at the in the Oceanography Department at the Université du Quebec :31 Rimouski (UQAR) and since 1999 at the Institute of Marine Science Rimouski (ISMER). Outside of his professorship, Jean-Claude was the Vice-Chainnan for the Fisheries Resource Conservation Council (FRCC) Canadian Advisory Board for the Ministers of Fisheries and Oceans from 1995 to 2001, where he provided recommendations for Atlantic groundfish conservation on Total Allowable Catches. In addition to this, he has also been a member for the Canadian Scientific Advisory Council Department of Fisheries and Oceans, Canadian Atlantic Fisheries Advisory Council and Quebec Aquaculture and Fisheries Council."
"More recently, Jean-Claude has acted a scientific expert for the assessment of Northem Gulf of St. Lawrence Snow Crab stocks. He has also chaired a number of workshops and regional advisory processes for the assessment of Canadian crustacean and demersal fish stocks. lntemationally, he has worked in Mauritania, Madagascar, and Tunisia and on coastal fisheries in the Northern Mediterranean Sea. Jean-Claude has also taken part in a number of MSC assessments including the Gulf of St. Lawrence Northem shrimp trawl fishery, Bay of Fundy, Scotian Shelf and Southem Gulf of St. Lawrence lobster trap fishery and Euronor saithe fishery."
Wouldn't it be great if Jersey could suggest he come onboard?
Question Time:
Question Time:
Was the UK Government right to send Royal Navy ships to Jersey, amid tensions with French fishermen?
John Bercow:
No, it's an absurd act of gunboat diplomacy. It's a bit of jingoistic sabre rattling, and if you tell me or anybody does tonight that the despatch of those ships and the fact of election day today are unrelated, I can say only that you will believe anything.
It's juvenile, it's down-market, it's not constructive, it doesn't advance the cause of the arguments that need to be resolved, and the truth of the matter is that the problem flows, as so many things persistently do, from Brexit, and with the detail, with the interstices of the system, with the specifics, negotiators have to deal. It isn't going to be addressed by a kind of Palmerstonian populism, and frankly Britain can do better than that.
I think there's an important point here. It isn't a question of people not filling in forms that they knew they had to complete. What is at stake is an argument about the behaviour of the Jersey authorities and, more particularly, the British government in surreptitiously introducing new regulatory burdens and compliance requirements with minimal notice, of which the French fishermen couldn't possibly previously have been aware.
It's certainly a violation of the principles and the intended application of the trade agreement. That's the first thing. The other thing is, in a sense, a backhanded compliment to Robert, whom I served with in the house for five years and more.
It is remarkable how, through the deployment of his mellifluous tones, he can talk about solving a problem, when solving a problem means the betrayal of the British fishing industry and its decimation on the one hand and, frankly, the denial of the rights, very long established over decades and more, of French fishermen.
These people aren't newcomers. They are not new kids on the block. They are not people suddenly turning up and saying, can we fish here? This is an area in which customarily they did fish, and all I would say, is, looking to the future, if we are going to make progress, we don't do it by picking juvenile fights, not just with one country but with the entirety of the European Union.
If we want to choreograph decent, constructive, convivial relations for the future, let's start as we mean to go on, rather than adopting gunboat diplomacy and then getting some dovish spokesman to appear and say, we know we've deployed the boats but actually we mean well after all. I am afraid it doesn't wash, because it isn't consistent, and on reflection I think people of reasonable sense and judgment can see through it.
No, it's an absurd act of gunboat diplomacy. It's a bit of jingoistic sabre rattling, and if you tell me or anybody does tonight that the despatch of those ships and the fact of election day today are unrelated, I can say only that you will believe anything.
It's juvenile, it's down-market, it's not constructive, it doesn't advance the cause of the arguments that need to be resolved, and the truth of the matter is that the problem flows, as so many things persistently do, from Brexit, and with the detail, with the interstices of the system, with the specifics, negotiators have to deal. It isn't going to be addressed by a kind of Palmerstonian populism, and frankly Britain can do better than that.
I think there's an important point here. It isn't a question of people not filling in forms that they knew they had to complete. What is at stake is an argument about the behaviour of the Jersey authorities and, more particularly, the British government in surreptitiously introducing new regulatory burdens and compliance requirements with minimal notice, of which the French fishermen couldn't possibly previously have been aware.
It's certainly a violation of the principles and the intended application of the trade agreement. That's the first thing. The other thing is, in a sense, a backhanded compliment to Robert, whom I served with in the house for five years and more.
It is remarkable how, through the deployment of his mellifluous tones, he can talk about solving a problem, when solving a problem means the betrayal of the British fishing industry and its decimation on the one hand and, frankly, the denial of the rights, very long established over decades and more, of French fishermen.
These people aren't newcomers. They are not new kids on the block. They are not people suddenly turning up and saying, can we fish here? This is an area in which customarily they did fish, and all I would say, is, looking to the future, if we are going to make progress, we don't do it by picking juvenile fights, not just with one country but with the entirety of the European Union.
If we want to choreograph decent, constructive, convivial relations for the future, let's start as we mean to go on, rather than adopting gunboat diplomacy and then getting some dovish spokesman to appear and say, we know we've deployed the boats but actually we mean well after all. I am afraid it doesn't wash, because it isn't consistent, and on reflection I think people of reasonable sense and judgment can see through it.
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